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Interview: Dave Haagsma & Hendrik Kok

By Eric Richey

   

The Stanford Cardinal wasn't the only team to dominate an NCAA Cross Country Championship last fall. The Calvin College Knights (of Grand Rapids, Michigan) won the Division III crown in remarkable fashion with a 1-6 pack split of just 20 seconds and scoring just 48 points; 80 fewer than runner-up University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point. Six of the Knights' seven runners earned All-America honors, with juniors Dave Haagsma and Hendrik Kok leading the way in seventh and eighth place, respectively, over the 8,000m course.

The result was anything but a surprise to those who follow Division III cross country. Calvin has established an incredible tradition under the leadership of coaches Brian Diemer (a three-time U.S. Olympian in the steeplechase who won bronze in the 1984 Olympic Games) and Al Hoekstra. In the last 11 years, Calvin has finished no worse than seventh at Nationals. More recently, the Knights have finished worse than second only once since 1998 — a fourth-place finish in 1999. Their 2003 national title was their second in the last four years.

Dave Haagsma is a redshirt junior from Grand Rapids, Michigan. He sports PRs of 14:46 (5k) and 30:39 (10k). His previous best national finish in cross country was 49th in 2002. Hendrik Kok of Lynden, Washington, transferred to Calvin after a year at the University of Washington. The redshirt junior has shown impressive range in running 1:52.9 (800m), 3:52.25 (1,500m), and 14:26 (5k). He finished ninth at Nationals in the fall of 2002 and has picked up three All-America awards in just two outdoor track seasons at Calvin.

Mensracing.com caught up with Haagsma and Kok not long after their dominating NCAA victory; they spoke about being part of a growing distance running dynasty in the often-overlooked arena of Division III collegiate athletics.

Mensracing.com: Let's begin by talking about Calvin's recent dominating performance at the NCAA Division III Cross Country Championships in Hanover, Indiana. Your team score of 48 points was the second lowest in DIII nationals history. Can you describe the feelings that come with running so well as a team when it counted most?

Dave Haagsma: Well, we knew coming in that we were capable of running well and winning the championship, so we kind of expected that sort of outcome, but we thought it would be closer than it ended up [being]. That said, it was extremely rewarding for it to all come together on that day.

MR: Hendrik, how did the race unfold for you?

Hendrik Kok: Well I got out well with the lead pack and I had a teammate, Kris Koster, with me. Coming into the season, I had hopes of not only winning the team title, but also contending for individual honors. But, I couldn't even finish a race until the conference meet due to an asthma problem. So at that point, my focus just became on running well enough to help my team. But I've been feeling better lately, and I am usually a pretty aggressive racer, so I decided to go out with the front pack and kind of set the tone for our team. We were up near the front for about two miles, maybe almost two-and-a-half miles, before Josh Moen just ran away from everybody. Then I started to struggle a little bit from there, but I was still running around eighth place. I wasn't passing anybody, but no one was catching me, either. I stayed there until the last stretch when Haagsma just blew by me.

MR: Did you ever have any thought of pursuing Josh Moen (of Wartburg) or were you running a bit conservative to insure you won the team race?

Kok: Yeah, I thought about it, but the team race was most important and trying to stick with him would have been risky. A lot of the guys who went out after him ended up dying pretty badly. Looking back, no one was going to beat him on that day, and we won the team title, which is the most important thing.

MR: Dave, it appeared from the pictures of the meet, that you started out more conservatively and worked your way up towards the front. Is that fair to say?

Haagsma: Yeah, I am more of a conservative starter. Basically through four miles I was running between 20th and 25th place and I was fortunate enough to have a few teammates with me, so we were working together. At four miles, I saw a bunch of guys up ahead and I started going after them and as I passed people I got more and more confident and that pushed me on. I almost didn't make it to the finish though, I was so tired — I got really wobbly those last few meters.

MR: I read that you almost collapsed short of the finish line.

Haagsma: Yeah, it got pretty ugly. Even now, I get really nervous just watching those last few strides on video tape. My body was just shut down.

MR: Your whole team ran close together all fall. Were there any special tactics that Coaches Diemer and Hoekstra set out for you guys prior to the nationals or was it simply business as usual?

Kok: No there were no new tactics really. Coach Diemer just talked to us in the huddle right before the race and reminded us to look for our teammates out there so we could help each other out.

MR: How do you guys approach a championship competition as a team? Is there a lot of emotion or do you try to stay levelheaded?

Haagsma: I think that there's a lot of emotion involved, especially as the meet draws closer and we get more and more excited, but at the same time, we definitely always try to stay levelheaded and stick to the game plan that Coach lays out for us.

MR: There has been a lot of talk about the warm weather taking a toll on people. How did the heat affect you and how did you prepare for it?

Kok: We just drank a lot of water and tried not to think about it really, we knew we had hydrated well. I think it may have been more of a psychological thing where people thought, 'Oh we've been training in 30-degree weather and now it's in the high 60s, what am I going to do?' But we didn't let it get to us and we raced like we would in any type of weather. I think a lot of the leaders who went out pretty hard... I think it affected them more. A lot of guys should have finished a lot higher than they did.

Haagsma: To be quite honest, we talked about drinking a little bit, but it wasn't really a worry for us.

MR: Let's talk for a moment about the tradition that has been established at Calvin. You guys have now finished either first or second five out of the last six years at nationals. What's it like to not only be part of that tradition, but to add to it with this year's dominating victory?

Haagsma: It's pretty remarkable to just put on the Calvin uniform. We have what we call "Stud Lists" so we look back at all these great runners and their times in the past and see where we stack up. A lot of the alumni still come out and support us at the races and if they can't make it to the race, they will contact us and encourage us beforehand. It's big Calvin family — just a really cool atmosphere to be a part of.

MR: Clearly you guys buy in to the notion that team goals are first priority. But how is that instilled in the newcomers who may have not run in a true team atmosphere prior to arriving at Calvin?

Kok: With the incoming freshmen, we emphasize that they don't need to have super high expectations right away. They don't need to be in the top five or top seven right off the bat. The newcomers are just expected to soak it in for a while and adapt to our program. They need to get used to not being the top guy on the team anymore. The team atmosphere is contagious. When you start doing well as a team, you start to get more excited about team goals than individual things.

Haagsma: They really have no other choice (laughs). If you come in with a big ego it will get put out pretty fast. This year's group of freshmen seemed even better than years past. They were eager to learn from us and they really found their place and contributed as the season wore on.

MR: Hendrik, your season was in question for much of the fall due to asthma problems. What was the nature of the problem and when and how did you get it resolved so that you were able to finish out the season so strong?

Kok: It was kind of complicated. I've always had exercise-induced asthma. This year it was worse than it had been before. A medication I was taking was causing tissue to dry out in my lungs in race situations. Our team doctor finally figured out it was the medication that was causing the problem. As soon as I stopped taking it the problem disappeared.

MR: If you could, briefly describe the training philosophy at Calvin.

Kok: Coach Diemer really focuses on strength. We don't do very high mileage, but he always tells us that everything we do is to get us strong.

Haagsma: Coach really bases it off how we're feeling. He'll ask us how we feel before we workout and if we're not recovered, he'll have us wait a day, so he's pretty flexible in that regard.

MR: What type of mileage did you guys put in last summer?

Kok: I think I was pretty much between 60 and 70 [miles per week]. I probably put in a couple weeks in the low 70s early in the fall. Dave and I are pretty similar in terms of mileage. We've had a couple guys in the past who have run close to 100 [miles per week] in the off-season, but most of the guys are between 60 and 80 [miles per week]. Some of the freshman start off with even lower mileage

MR: Give an example of a key workout or two you guys do that prepares you for the rigors of competition.

Kok: Nothing too unique, just a lot of longer tempo runs. We do mile repeats which are pretty standard.

Haagsma: We do a workout called "Tower Hill" about three times during the season. It's a 25-minute threshold run all on grass with a pretty good hill in it. We run it at about 85% effort. That's one of my favorite workouts.

MR: How conducive is the Grand Rapids area for training?

Kok: It's OK. There are not too many trails so we do a fair amount of our mileage on roads or on the gravel on the side of the roads. It's nothing too special but it's not bad either. You can get out of the city pretty quick and find some nice country roads.

Haagsma: Around the campus, there's not much in the way of trails. The nice thing is that there's a lot of nice parks around that aren't too far away that are pretty nice for running.

MR: Calvin has an excellent academic reputation. What are you guys studying and how difficult is it to balance your studies with running?

Kok: Academics are definitely the priority here. I'm a Pre-Med/Biology major so it's tough at times, but I think the discipline required by running helps you to structure your life. I think running has helped my grades a lot. Not having a lot of time has forced me to use my time more wisely.

Haagsma: I'm a business major. I don't find it too hard to balance although it's a little hectic now because I have an internship now that I have three days a week before practice. I look forward to practice each day as a break from the stress. I force myself to prioritize too.

MR: Hendrik, you transferred to Calvin after a year at the University of Washington. What convinced you that Calvin was the place for you?

Kok: I found the Division I atmosphere to be not conducive to my academic priorities. The travel was so extensive that I felt like I didn't have the time to do my best in the classroom. So I looked at smaller schools and I really wanted to go to a Christian college. Pretty soon it became clear to me that Calvin had the best combination of academics and running in all the Christian schools I looked at. Having an Olympian as a coach didn't hurt. And the team's tradition was also an important factor. I knew Calvin was a place where I could excel academically and also take my running to a higher level.

MR: If you could, talk for a moment about how your Christian faith intersects with your running at Calvin.

Kok: Well, right off the bat, I think your focus is different from most runners. We're not running for ourselves or not even primarily for our team. The focus is on using our gifts to the best of our ability. The Lord has blessed us with running and it's our responsibility to use that gift. It's easy to find joy in that. This year, I think our focus was just finding joy in running — almost like a Chariots of Fire theme where Eric Liddell said 'When I run I feel the Lord's pleasure.' We really felt that this year. We knew we had to put in the work and race hard and the rest was out of our control.

Haagsma: I think Hendrik said it really well. We've all been blessed with running and we just prepared ourselves to run our best. One of our team verses was Proverbs 31:21 which says 'The horse is made ready for the day
of battle, but victory rests with the Lord.' We just focused on that all year. We knew what we had to do to develop our gifts and left the rest to the Lord. Even aside from running, there are so many different gifts on this team that combine to form something really special.

MR: Outside of winning a national championship, what have been some of the most rewarding memories from your college days up until this point?

Kok: In the beginning of the year, we have a team camping trip and we got up to the upper peninsula of Michigan and basically just hike out ten miles and camp out there for a week. That's been just a great experience each year and a great bonding time. We train out there but the real focus is just on relaxing and enjoying each other's company.

Haagsma: For me it would have to be all the people we've met and formed friendships with. It's really just amazing when I stop and think about it.

MR: What are some of your interests outside of running?

Haagsma: I think everybody else on the team would say I spend all my time with 'Mrs. Haagsma' (laughs) and I do spend quite a bit of time with her (laughs). The only other sport I really get into is golf.

Kok: Myself, coming from the Northwest, I love outdoors stuff like hiking and climbing. I love doing mountaineering stuff over the summer when I can. I don't have much time during the season.

MR: Dave, are you married or is "Mrs. Haagsma" just a nickname for your girlfriend?

Haagsma: (laughs) No, I'm not married... yet. It's just a nickname the guys have given her.

MR: What were your high school PR's?

Haagsma: I think my two-mile PR was my most impressive and that was 9:24. I ran the mile in 4:21. I never broke 2:00 in the 800m. For cross country, my best 5k was 15:44.

Kok: I was a really big soccer player in Junior High and even into high school. I ran 4:17 (1, 600m) and 1:57 (800m) my junior year. They switched the soccer season from the fall to the spring my senior year so I opted to play soccer instead of track. I never took running real seriously in high school.

MR: What are your goals for the upcoming track season?

Haagsma: For me, it's qualifying in the 10,000m again and I'd like to finish in the top eight and be All-American. I'd love to qualify in the 5,000m too, I'd really like to get a bunch of my teammates qualified in the 5k as well, because I think it would be really cool to run my last track race for Calvin with a bunch of teammates.

Kok: Like Dave was saying, my first year at Calvin we had four All-Americans in the 5,000m. That was just the coolest thing ever. I would love to get the same type of thing going again this year. I've been third and fifth in the 5k the last two years. I'm about a second off the school record right now, so I'd like to get that. I might try out the 10,000m and see what I can run there and I'd like to really improve upon my finish in the 5k.

MR: There are a lot of runners who run well in cross country with the team atmosphere and all that comes with it, but then seem to disappear on the track. Do you guys make a conscious effort to carry over that teamwork, which is such a key to your fall success, to the spring season?

Haagsma: Oh definitely, we're trying to keep the momentum going. There's so much excitement in the program now from freshmen and other guys who didn't make the top seven and run at Nationals but went to the race and watched. They are so pumped and it gets us excited too. Track is also a great preparation for next fall where we want to repeat as champions. I am now on my two weeks off from running and I can't wait to get back out there training again.

Kok: We had an All-American in track that didn't even make our top seven this year. And there were a few other guys with similar stories on the team. They want to get back to a level where they are running well at Nationals so they will be pushing us from behind.

MR: You guys take a real low-key approach to indoor racing. Is the winter primarily used to build base and strength for outdoors?

Kok: Yeah, we usually go out to the University of Michigan and do one or two indoor meets there and that's pretty much it. That's just to keep us motivated. We like to go in there and race a 3k against the Michigan guys and see if we can hang with the Hanson's guys.

Haagsma: I've never been much of an off-season trainer so I've never been in shape to race indoors. I think I've only done one or two indoor meets since I've been at Calvin, so I hope to change that this year. We just do distance runs through February, so any races will just be run off of strength. I don't think we even do tempo runs until late February, but I'm looking forward to running a race or two indoors.

MR: Looking down the road, what are some of your goals and dreams once your studies and running are done at Calvin?

Kok: For me, with plans for medical school in the future, I don't know how much time I would have for running, but I'd like to continue and see what I can do. I think both Dave and I are relatively new to this sport in a sense, as far as serious training goes. If possible, I'd like to keep racing for a couple years after college and keep lowering my PRs.

Haagsma: I'm planning on working in the area and I'll keep running. I'll probably try some road races to see if I can win some money, but I want to keep improving as well.

(Interview conducted in December 2003, posted January 6, 2003.)

 
Hendrik Kok (left) and Dave Haagsma lead Calvin to a dominant victory at the 2003 NCAA Cross Country Championships.
(Photo by Randy Miyazaki - TrackAndFieldPhoto.com)
     
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